{"id":312,"date":"2015-05-12T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-05-12T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/yule-tide.generalsemiotics.net\/index.php\/2015\/05\/12\/post-305-annoyed-by-avengers-ii-leading-to-an-inquiry-on-the-nature-of-quality-and-group-thought\/"},"modified":"2015-05-12T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-05-12T00:00:00","slug":"post-305-annoyed-by-avengers-ii-leading-to-an-inquiry-on-the-nature-of-quality-and-group-thought","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/yule-tide.blog\/index.php\/2015\/05\/12\/post-305-annoyed-by-avengers-ii-leading-to-an-inquiry-on-the-nature-of-quality-and-group-thought\/","title":{"rendered":"Post-305: Annoyed by &#8220;Avengers II&#8221; (Leading to an Inquiry on the Nature of Quality and Group Thought)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"paragraph\" style=\"text-align:left;\">\n<span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><em>Incoherent story. What&#8217;s going on? What&#8217;s the point? Who are these characters? Why should I care? Who&#8217;s bad and who&#8217;s good? Even that&#8217;s not clear. Too fast, as if in fast forward mode.\u00a0<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><\/span><\/span><\/em><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><em><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\">Too many unexplained, confusing, and seemingly pointless fight scenes. Frivolous.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>These are some thoughts I had while watching <strong>&#8220;Avengers II: Age of Ultron&#8221;<\/strong>. I didn&#8217;t like it. I saw it in the movie theater after coming upon a free ticket via a friend.<\/p>\n<p>Free or not, I wish I hadn&#8217;t watched it. I could&#8217;ve used those two hours better. I realize this is a harsh judgement.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span> <span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\">I&#8217;d heard others speak highly of the movie, and it seems it got many more good reviews than bad<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><\/span><\/span> <span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\">ones. How is this possible? The movie really was lousy on its own merits.<br \/><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div id=\"255647650956746362\" align=\"left\" style=\"width: 100%; overflow-y: hidden;\" class=\"wcustomhtml\">\n<a name=\"continue\" id=\"continue\"><font color=\"white\">.<\/font><\/a>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"paragraph\" style=\"text-align:center;\">\n<span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.yuletyde.com\/a-blog\/post-305-annoyed-by-avengers-ii-leading-to-an-inquiry-on-the-nature-of-quality-and-group-thought#continue\"><font color=\"#1E00FF\"><strong><font size=\"4\">Read More<\/font><\/strong><\/font><\/a><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<!--BLOG_SUMMARY_END-->\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"paragraph\" style=\"text-align:left;\">\n<span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\">I ask, did others <em style=\"\">really<\/em> think it was a good movie? To what extent is this<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span> <span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"\">another of life&#8217;s &#8220;Emperor&#8217;s New Clothes&#8221; situations? In other words, maybe they &#8220;liked&#8221; it because it&#8217;s a big budget movie, hyped up for a while before release, and (so) they&#8217;re <em>supposed<\/em> to like it. Maybe they want to feel part of the winning team; this movie will make millions in profit. Isn&#8217;t it plausible that these kinds of influences might boost an average reviewer&#8217;s rating by a full star or two?<\/p>\n<p>This raises questions about the nature of Quality. If the majority s<em>ay<\/em> that X is of high quality, <em>is<\/em> it? If we all <em>expect<\/em> X to be of high quality, is it? (Self-fulfilling prophecy.) Is there an &#8220;Objective Quality&#8221;? Alternatively, is Quality purely subjective? This is the kind of question that obsessed the central character in &#8220;Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance,&#8221; a book I read in 2012 upon recommendation from my friend Jared. Maybe we can even call it a core philosophical question of the past few thousand years.<\/p>\n<p>Not to get too abstract. I think what may explain this phenomenon of mostly positive attitudes towards this (what I cautiously call an &#8220;objectively bad&#8221;) movie is that it has a core loyal base of noisy partisans. I mean comic book fans (of which I am not one). They will be tireless partisans on behalf of &#8220;The Avengers,&#8221; which is a kind of comic book Dream Team. Saying the movie was &#8220;really lousy on its own merits,&#8221; as I did above, would be a kind of blasphemy to them. A tightly disciplined core group of partisans can shift a narrative in their favor, given a disorganized &#8220;opposition&#8221;. I think this is applicable to almost any social dynamic in life. As Andrew Jackson said, &#8220;One man, with courage, makes a majority&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>But the movie really was bad. I&#8217;ll be the &#8220;one man, with courage&#8221; to say it.<\/p>\n<p>Here is what one <a style=\"\" title=\"\" href=\"http:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt2395427\/reviews?ref_=tt_urv\">American reviewer wrote<\/a> on movie website IMDb.com, which I agree with in full:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; color:rgb(62, 62, 62);\"><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span>\n<\/div>\n<blockquote style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>\n<span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:italic; font-weight:400; color:rgb(136, 136, 136);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:italic; font-weight:400; color:rgb(136, 136, 136);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:italic; font-weight:400; color:rgb(136, 136, 136);\"><font size=\"4\"><strong>No one was more disappointed than me<\/strong><\/font><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:italic; font-weight:400; color:rgb(136, 136, 136);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:italic; font-weight:400; color:rgb(136, 136, 136);\"><span style=\"text-decoration:none; font-style:italic; font-weight:400; color:rgb(136, 136, 136);\"><font size=\"4\"><\/font><br \/>\nIt hurts to rate this so poorly, but it certainly deserves the low marks. There were so many things that ruined this movie for me.<\/p>\n<p>1) The Storytelling &#8211; Or lack thereof. There was not a compelling story to be told here. Ultron wants to blow up the world, the Avengers try to stop him. That&#8217;s all the audience ever really knows about this story and it felt flat and unfulfilling.<\/p>\n<p>2) Plot? &#8211; The movie opens with our heroes in the middle of a battle for reasons that are largely unimportant. That pretty much sums up this whole film<\/p>\n<p>3) The Love Interest &#8211; Totally underdeveloped. We&#8217;re basically told by the script writer that these two people are in love, but never are we SHOWN that they&#8217;re falling in love. It rang completely hollow.<\/p>\n<p>4) The Humor &#8211; There were WAY too many jokes in this movie, and that wouldn&#8217;t have been all that bad if so many of them weren&#8217;t eye rollers. Many of them left me groaning.<\/p>\n<p>5) Ultron &#8211; This guy appears out of nowhere and is woefully underdeveloped. Plus, he&#8217;s supposed to be some kind of AI but he&#8217;s constantly cracking off stupid one-liners and making facial expressions that I thought were inconsistent with what and who he was supposed to be.<\/p>\n<p>6) Character Overload &#8211; There were WAY too many characters to do any of them any justice. I would have liked the film to focus on a smaller group of characters and their relationships with one another, instead, we got a who&#8217;s who of the entire Marvel universe leaving a lot to be desired.<\/p>\n<p>I could go on, but my heart is still aching and I don&#8217;t want to talk about it anymore. I see that a lot of people liked it and I&#8217;m happy that they did. I only wish it hadn&#8217;t been such a colossal disappointment for me.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span>\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Incoherent story. What&#8217;s going on? What&#8217;s the point? Who are these characters? Why should I care? Who&#8217;s bad and who&#8217;s good? Even that&#8217;s not clear. Too fast, as if in fast forward mode.\u00a0Too many unexplained, confusing, and seemingly pointless fight scenes. Frivolous. These are some thoughts I had while watching &#8220;Avengers II: Age of Ultron&#8221;. 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